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that oversimplify arab sentiments, while emitting israeli aggressions on neighboring arab countries. for years, we have been told that the arab world no longer cared about the palestinians. that arab governments that had made peace with israel were simply looking towards the future. but this world cup provides a rare example of a free and collective arab expression. and arab fans have made the palestinian flags and other symbols of palestinian struggle present at nearly every game. the qatar world cup emphasizes the importance of hosting the tournament in the arab world for the first time. and at a time when the west has downgraded the plight of the palestinian people from their diplomatic agendas, the fans at this year's world cup are reminding all of us, the world,
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that the palestinian cause is not just -- is a just cause and one that has not and should not be forgotten. coming up, on the second hour of ayman, biden's big win. the president is on a big streak of victories. leaving a top republicans to warn, don't underestimate his 2024 run. and georgia turns purple. the lessons democrats are learning from raphael warnock's reelection bid and they're early plans to flip more red states. but -- plus, it is back. our worst of the least segment return -- find a home -- i am ayman mohyeldin and let's get started. so, from the white house's vantage point, president biden cannot stop winning. that is the message we are ending this year on. because there is a massive stream of victories this week
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to reinforce that theme. there was wnba star brittney griner being released from a russian penal colony. americans now have more money in their pockets, we just have increased more than 5% over the last year. and gas prices have dropped to their lowest levels in 12 months. there is a massive boom of advanced chip manufacturing that is coming to the united states. that is a major win in biden's push to stand up a domestic supply chain. the president is on a serious winning streak and even his opponents recognize it. just this week, former republican house speaker newt gingrich wrote that the gop has to quit underestimating president biden. in his words, conservative hostility to the administration has blinded his colleagues to just how effective joe biden has been on his terms. and it is even more impressive considering their presidents relatively soft poll numbers. again, just this week, the president lead his party to
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victory in the state of georgia, making 2022 the first midterm since 1934, that is 88 years ago, when the party in power successfully defended every incumbent senate seat. that victory means that democrats, the senate majority, become stronger. giving the more room to act on judicial nominations and other executive appointments. and this coming week, the president will sign into law legislation that give up federal protections to same-sex and interracial marriages. the man is on a roll. and he simply cannot be stopped. added to paraphrase a former president, i wonder if americans will get tired of all of this winning? joining me now is democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. congresswoman, great to have you with us. thank you for coming back on the show. i guess i will start by asking you that question. are you, as a democrat, tired of winning? talk about the president street here and what you think it
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means as you enter congress next year. >> i will never get tired of winning. hats off to the biden administration. listen, there were so many people talking about this red wave that turned out to be a red dribble. if we can even say that. i mean, think about it. we were dealing with a redistricting year. and we still were able to come away with monumental wins. the fact that we are in the minority and during this next 118th term, you know what? it is barely a minority. and we know that the republicans are struggling right now. they won't even be able to function, having to 18 and i could not be more ecstatic. i think the president still has some wings left this term. >> you are on the show with us before the midterms and you warned democrats to focus on factual fears. things like abortion access and protecting our democracy, while ignoring fake fears from republicans, like attacks on trans children, for example. did the midterms prove your instincts right? >> absolutely.
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when you saw the record turnout from jen the, think about the things that jen izzy cares about. they care about abortion access. they care about guns, let's look at what the president was able to do on guns. you did not even mention that part, this has so many wins it is hard to keep up. so, i think we were able to motivate a group of people that historically, people continuously say young people don't vote, but let me tell you gen z saved us this time. they absolutely voted and it was because we focused in on the things that mattered. we focused on the substance. they paid attention and they were motivated. >> this week, the house passed a bill ensuring federal protections for interracial and same-sex marriages. i mentioned that in the intro. it is already passed the senate. president biden expected to sign it this week or next week. talk about the importance of
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the respect for marriage act. what does it do? symbolic, or does it also have something more than symbolism? >> listen, you are implying that it was a mixed bag. and it really was. it was a step in the right direction. it was exactly what i thought of when i went down to the texas house. and all of the senior members kept saying, incremental trench. and it was one of those things that was really hard for me to accept. you know, is this everything that we want to? is it everything that we should be entitled to in this country? absolutely not. but was it a step in the right direction? absolutely! especially after we saw what clarence thomas had to say in that terrible dobbs opinion. we knew that moral rights were on the chopping block. and so, we were at least able
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to protect some rights. i just hope that we can get back to the rights that were under attack in dobbs. the rights that we still are struggling with. and that is reproductive rights. this is absolutely a step in the right direction. >> yes. a step in the right direction, and an important one. you are just elected as the freshman representative two democratic leadership, a significant position. what does that mean to you? how do you plan on using the opposition to advance the things that you care about? the things that you're talking about? and the things that matter to your constituents? >> absolutely. one of the things, it was interesting, because we literally just got back from harvard. that was another part of our orientation. and we talked about who was voting for who and why. and one of the very interesting things that we learned is that, overwhelmingly, if people actually were tuned in and got the information, they supported the president at a range of about 20% more. and so, one of the things that we really need to do is we need to work on making sure we are getting the information out. so, communication is important. not everyone takes their information from an msnbc. i know that may be a surprise.
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[laughter] but we know that people are on twitter. they're on tiktok. they are all over. and so, we need to make sure that we are communicating by sending letters, by making sure that we are going and meeting people where they are. meeting them a church, beating them wherever we can. the grocery stores! literally, yelling these winds from the top of our lungs to make sure that people know, no matter if you are in rural america or here in urban america, the democrats are fighting for you. if a farmers want to make sure that there are farms that are left because climate change is causing such a problem, then they will vote for democrats. it is just a matter of getting the message out to them. if you want to make sure that in rural america, your hospitals are not closing, you probably need to vote for the democrats, the ones that want to expand on medicaid access and make sure that your hospital stay open. and so, i think it is just about making sure that i use this position and emphasize to the leadership that we need to communicate to everyone.
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we saw that in georgia. you know, senator warnock was not able just to communicate with atlanta metro, he had to communicate with all of georgia. as well as the organizers. we saw what black lives matters did. we saw what stacey abrams did. it will take a lot. but i want to do those things. i want to do the organizing on the ground. and i want to make sure that we are messaging out about the great things that we are doing. >> it is a team effort, no doubt about that, representative crockett, thank you so much for making time for us. we look forward to speaking to you again in the weeks and months ahead. >> thank you so much. >> sinema suddenly left the democratic party -- but what are her true motivations? we will discuss that in more. but first, richard louis is here with the headlines. >> thanks. grant wahl, longtime soccer journalist, died in qatar while covering the world cup. he collapsed in the -- on his personal website, he said he felt sick -- he said on site medical personnel told him he probably had bronchitis and was given
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antibiotics at the time. friday, paramedics did treat him on sites. he was then taken to a hospital. the cause of death, not immediately available. he was covering his eight men's world cup. wahl is known for his writing for sports illustrated, where he started working in 1996. he also wrote a well received book about david beckham's history with u.s. soccer. he was 49 years old. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin right after this break. are living longer with kisqali. so, long live family time. long live dreams.
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coverage of senator kristen sinema making everybody's lives harder. last hour, we discussed sinema's to register as an independent would help her maintain her outsized influence in the party, and influence that was said to diminish with democrats picking up 51 senate seats this election cycle. but there's another reason sinema might have chosen
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herself over the party. democratic congressman ruben gallego -- blocked a minimum wage increases and stop corporations for being -- a movement began to draft him to primary sinema and her 2024 reelection campaign -- her move now makes it much more difficult to oust her from politics. if democrats put up any challenger to sinema, that challenger would split the vote with a now independent sinema likely leading to a republican being elected in 2024. let's bring in my saturday night panel. this nbc opinion colonist -- comedian josh -- and for an end -- democratic pollster and msnbc political analyst. let me start with you, josh. is this all about reuben gallego? where do you think something else is at play here for kyrsten sinema four? >> look, i don't know. i think sinema is open to a challenge from the left. because she is leaving plenty of room on that side. she was already close to the right lane of the democratic party. and now she is pulled over onto
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the shoulder, waving people around her from one side. and representative gallego said that she is putting her own interests ahead of the country and i think that's slightly inaccurate. i think she's putting her career first. if you're putting your interests first, she would leave the senate entirely and go full-time shopping for chunky statement necklaces on poshmark. >> the chair of the democratic party responded to her move, as a party, we represent -- she may now be registered as an independent, but she is shown she answers to corporations and billionaires, not arizonian's. her independent registration means nothing if he continues not to listen to her constituents. do you think sinema's listening to arizonian's who lost our, elected an entire slate of -- mark kelly, joe biden -- so, she is misreading what the citizens of arizona voted for. they are voting for democrats. >> yeah, i mean, i think she isn't paying attention. but fundamentally, we will find out how close she is listening to the voters of arizona over
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the next year. because if you thought her voting record was already under the microscope, democrats are going to be looking for every single thing that she now does in the senate. and as long as she continues to vote with president biden 95, 96% of the time, as she has done, really in the last couple of years, then they may make the political calculation that, no, let's not mess with a good thing at a safe seat. however, if she starts to stray and show that quirkiness and it becomes a problem to confirming judges, which is really the biggest thing that the senate will be able to do in the republican house, then i think you will see the democrats go full -- on trying to draft someone who can beat her. and also look at the polling. if the polling shows this time next year that she is in trouble or the democrat could still run in a seat -- i think you will see a democratic candidate. >> marissa, congressman guy go challenges her in 2024 -- is it a guaranteed republican win or is there a chance for a
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democrat to peel away some of sinema's supporters and addition to the democrats? >> no, i don't think it's an automatic republican win. i think they're so much activist energy on the ground in arizona. i mean, that is how they have gotten these winds for democrats in the last four years. because even though the democratic registration is not as high as republicans or independents in arizona, there are so many people with boots on the ground, who want a more progressive arizona. and so, i think it will ultimately come down to whether sinema moves out of the way. but i think if we are able to kind of pick one and stick with it, that the democrats still have a really good chance of hanging on. >> josh, same question to you, does this move give republicans an edge in arizona? democrats are winning in that state. they are winning by narrow
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margins in some of these counties. could it be a problem in future elections if sinema is running as an independent? >> i mean, it definitely could be a problem. but i don't want to say that it for sure we'll be. i mean, i don't think that tagging yourself as an independent brings a ton of votes with you, necessarily. sinema is not an especially popular senator with democrats or republicans. bringing up and appealing candidate is really paramount to the fears of, like, what if you polls too many votes away? if there was -- if it was so appealing to voters to just not be a democrat or a republican, but to be kind of the proverbial secret third thing, then we would have president andrew yang right now. >> i know, that's right.
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cinemas defenders will say that what she is doing is not different from what bernie sanders or angus king have done for years to stay in power as independents. i don't see it that way. i mean, do you see it that way? now, she is not the kind of independent that sanders is. >> well, i am like you. i don't really trust. or i don't think she's acting in the bust of faith. but again, time will tell, if she does act like angus king or bernie sanders when it comes to continuing to caucus with the democrats. she says she will do that. and again, maintains the democratic voting record, where she is aligning in voting with the party, however much manufactured drawn attention to herself she wants to draw, she might be able to thread that needle.
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but again, we need to look to what majority leader chuck schumer says. because remember, the other thing that she does, she is holding us, in a sense, a lot of the democratic caucus hostage. she has already made the move to independent. if she feels like the caucus is not going to be receptive of her. then, she is strange enough, where she might make the full monte switch all the way to the republican side. remember, she started out as a green party member. then, democrat. now, independent. i would not put a pastor to go the other way as well. you need to keep that in mind in the calculus of the politics as well. >> so, marissa, what do you think is in this fall sinema? is she destined to become the next king? is that what she wants? to be seen as this independent kingmaker of sorts? >> i think so.
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i think that is her gave it right now. but she does not have the same appeal as angus king. she does not have the support. she does not have the approval numbers back home to back up such a bold move. i mean, i understand someone doing this if they are wildly popular in their state. and they have lots of friends all over the country. but her only friends are lobbyists and fund-raisers for special interests. and i don't think that is really going to earn her this, you know, great reputation as this maverick in the mold of john mccain. i think she is just basically alienating everyone right now. and the future she sees for herself is not necessarily realistic. >> all right, panel, please the ground. we have a lot more to discuss with you later on in the hour. later, on the iranian government, escalating its crackdown against protesters. but the iranian people are still fighting back. my conversation with human rights attorney -- after the break.
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government conducted the first known execution of a person arrested during the protests that have engulfed the country in recent months. 23 year old mohsen shekari was hanged after being arrested on september 25th, while protesting the death of mahsa amini, who died in the custody of iran's so-called morality police. -- shekari was accused of, quote, waging war against god, a charge that carries an automatic death sentence. and it appears that the execution is just the beginning of the governments escalation against protesters. according to that same news agency, they are one of 11 protesters that have been sentenced to death by the iranian regime so far. it appears these escalations have yet to deter thousands of iranians for making their voices heard and this week, the protests went beyond gathering in the streets, shops and more than 50 cities across iran shuttered for what appears to be one of the country's largest general strikes in decades.
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i spoke earlier about the situation and around with human rights attorney and the director of the strategic's litigation project for the atlantic council -- thank you so much for joining us. i want to start with this troubling news from iran this week. iran executing its first prisoner, allegedly convicted of a crime committed during the protests. what is your understanding of what happened and your reaction to this disturbing news? >> well, the disturbing thing is that this is only going to be the first of what will be, it looks like, more than a dozen executions or more. because there are a lot of other young man, 20, 21, 22 year olds, who are facing the same charges that he was facing. and so, we are very concerned about that. and in the case there, the family was told to remain silent. they said that authorities told them that he would be released if that was the case. and then, they found out that he was executed. and there was not so much of a notice. he had no counsel of his choosing. it was a very quick and summary trial against him. so, a lot of concerns about the
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lack of due process, the lack of fair trial. and the fact that the family was not even notified of this. we are very concerned for what comes next. >> these protests have been going on for close to three months now. can you tell us how they have spread and what is your understanding of the size? it is difficult to get an understanding of what is happening in iran. their strikes taking place in iran, creating effectively host towns. what do you make of this new form of protest? >> monday to wednesday, this past week, there were three days of nation wide strikes that were called and this is just the next phase in what has been three months of protest. very early on in the protests that are updated after mahsa amini's tragic death, we saw the demonstrations in all 31 provinces of iran. so, it was very quickly widespread.
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but i think the most significant thing about this is that it has been sustained. as we know, protesting in the islamic republic, can be, you can be met with the death penalty for peacefully exercising your freedom of death -- these individuals who are coming out on the streets, are coming up at very high cost, so that is incredibly significant that we see it continuing to today. >> there was a little confusion this week when iran's attorney general i believe said that the country's controversial morality police was no longer present on the street. some interpreted that that it meant it was abolished. at best, it is unclear whether anything remotely like that can
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happen. can you clarify for us what that situation is on that front with that development? >> yeah, so, it appears that a news wire picked up that statement from the attorney generals presser and then global media picked it up rather quickly. the morality police has not been abolished. and if it were to be, that would need to happen under the ministry of the interior, not the judiciary. so, the attorney was not in any place to be saying anything authoritative on that. what is significant about it, however, is that this was sort of pitched as a win for iranian women in global media, who maybe want a clean resolution to this at a feeling that something positive is coming out of this. but the reality is that the gendered discriminatory legal framework is still in place. so, until that changes, there
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are a range of other security forces and other organs of the state that can enforce that. and i should note that this wednesday, december 14th, there will be a vote on whether or not the islamic republic should be removed from the u. n. commission on the status of women. so, it was interesting timing for that news to come out. and for senior officials in the islamic republic to not deny that news. i think they're very aware of what is lying ahead. >> yeah, and i want to ask you about that. because this week, we saw this interesting development, a significant one, which was that time magazine recognized iranian women as their heroes of the year, rightfully so. it is a great honor. of course, it is also a symbolic move. and i wanted to ask you about tangible actions that you want to see from the international community. what would you like to see done to help the iranian people? what should specifically the
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biden administration, european countries, do at this point in the protests? >> i think that this is really a question for multilateral engagement and institutions. this is not a u.s. or eu thing, it is a globe thing. i have been in new york all this past week, meeting with you and member states will have a vote on what i just mentioned. these are countries in the africa block, the latin america block. and they are very united in their condemnation of what the iranian authorities are doing to women, girls, and children. so, i think in the past sometimes, there is a bit of criticism about this is a sort of western critique of the islamic republican -- these countries very clearly see that iran's own people are in the streets and have been there for a long time. they are simply not condoning what is happening here anymore. so, in terms of the removal -- that is what iranian women activists in the country have requested. they think that the islamic republic will respond to pressure. there also needs to be a very strong global condemnation of the execution and there needs to be more tangible action. and in the past, there was a
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moratorium of the islamic republic issued on drug related offensive that carry the death penalty. that was due to the european union cutting funding for anti drug trafficking programs. the engagement did not help their, but the pressure did, and so i would really like countries and multilateral institutions to think about that and start to reconsider their possessions. >> we certainly hope they will. thank you so much for joining us. we will continue to follow these protests closely. we appreciate your insight and analysis. thank you. >> thank you. >> up next, you just won reelection to the senate, but there is a lot of talk that raphael warnock could one day be president. my panel discusses his rising star after this. >> up next, you just won reelection to the senate, but there is a lot of talk that
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this week makes georgia a purple state. biden's 2020 when was the breakthrough -- and of the twin victories and the subsequent senate runoffs only cemented that claim. now, after warnock's tuesday victory, democrats have a blueprint. democratic organizers in conservative states have pleaded for years for more national investment, and now they have proof of that concept. and speaking of that win,
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warnock's three-point victory has underscored his own talent and cemented him as one of the nation's most compelling and effective democratic politicians. his five election street in a changing but still conservative state should be recognized as an amazing political feet by any measure. and let's be clear. the reason why we are talking about any of this is because of the work stacey abrams has done on the grassroots level in georgia. my panel is back with me. josh, i will start with you. talk to me about senator warnock here. do you see him as a potential presidential candidate any future? >> i think his start is definitely rising. his first full 60 return as a senator. i think it's really exciting. and it shows what is possible and democrats think -- and running candidates that are appealing and have a message and really bring something to
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the table. people will -- people have said that he benefited from running against a uniquely bad candidate in herschel walker, sure. does it help that he ran against a guy with no grasp on reality or moral compass? sure, it helps. but republicans have plenty more of those candidates. the gop seems to have learned no lessons and will continue running ideologues who insist that corporations are people, marriage begins at conception, and voting rights are murder. so, i think this is a really wonderful when. and i don't think it should be diminished by just talking about how bad the candidate he was running against was. >> that is a very valid point. that is why i asked a question. and in 2019, you had stacey abrams turning down the run for the u.s. senate and georgia, despite months of chuck schumer trying to recruit her. she actually pushed warnock instead. what does it tell us that very early on, abrams recognized warnock's potential in this slot? >> it really makes me think of
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something that trevor noah actually said on his final show the other night. he said, if you really want to understand america, talk to black women. and it has become the sort of truism in politics. look to black women. they will save us from elections. this is a clear cut example of a very intelligent black woman, who knows what is going on on the ground, taking control and saying, that is the candidate i want. that is who will win. and she knew. and even though she did not win her own election this year, i think, like you said, she deserves all the credit because she built this infrastructure. and she turned georgia into a state that is in play. and they would have never gone there without her. >> and fernand amandi, just a decade ago, the state was written off by the democratic state party. they viewed it as so a relevant to national politics that it was actually draw from the
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roster of 2012 presidential exit polls. and today, the state is at the top of the list for the 2024 presidential primaries. i mean, did you ever imagine such a shift in such a quick amount of time? >> well, i think the key phrase that you used as a decade ago. what i think we have learned from the georgia example is that the democrat thinks of the country are changing. and in some states, it might have been out of reach in the past, they are chanting in favor of the democrats. but also, a decade ago, as you said, is the key phrase, because ask stacey abrams herself if you don't believe me. it takes about 8 to 10 years to position these states to go from nowhere is there a chance for the democrats, to consistently winning as they are doing in georgia now. i think that is the lesson. if they're willing to make that investment, year in and year out, and maybe even suffer losses, but in the process, build up that infrastructure, as stacey abrams showed us how to do in georgia, then some of these off the beaten path of states that really aren't right
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now in the democratic parties conversation for 2024, could very soon come online. i think that is the ultimate lesson in georgia. >> so, do you think as democrats lose power in florida and ohio, places like georgia and arizona, where they are making gains, offset that? do you see another state like georgia and arizona, where democrats can reverse the tide? >> i do. number one, i hate to say this as a floridian myself, but, look, florida is a very expensive state. it's a state where the democrats just simply have not been willing to invest the type of infrastructure. because it's so big. its own wilty. republicans have total control. i do see other states that could follow the georgia and arizona model. and i don't think i'm giving away too many secrets on this broadcast. but one of them that i know the democratic party is looking at is the state of north carolina,
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which also has shown demographic changes in the democrats favor. they have been able to elect democratic governors there. we saw this last senate race was a lot closer than a lot of folks thought it would be. i think that is the next frontier, where you will see democrats make a play again and try to win that state in the 2024 elections. >> what can other democrats and organizers around the country learn from what was accomplished in georgia? >> i think it is really important to listen to the people who understand the state passed. i think there are a lot of people who parachute in when a state gets a little bit of attention and thinks that they understand and try to bring in organizations from the outside. but what we have seen is most affected is when the grassroots organizations that have been in the state for years or decades are in control. that is when they have the best results. so, instead of trying to gut the -- or some of the most national organizations to help -- put their own people out there. they should just be supporting the organizers who know every corner and every church, every school. and they know how to activate voters in their state.
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>> josh, same question. what can democrats in other states learn for what they have done and pulled off in georgia? >> i think what marisa kabas that is so smart and i think continuing to have that ambition, right? expanding, i fernand amandi that, to north carolina, and playing the long game, as you mentioned. this takes a long time. i think the democrats have ambition and are really pushing for big gains in the long term. i think that is really helpful and important. and republicans, i mean, i hate to phrase it like this, but you can learn something from, like, how much republicans overreach, right? i think they dream big. republicans are pushing ideas like, it's your second amendment right to fire a gun in an emergency room if the hospital accepts medicaid. as democrats, we finally have years of proof enough to be comfortable saying, what if we ask people in atlanta to vote for us? and so, i think we really need
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to have that big ambition. and then stick to it. and again, trust the people on the ground rather than prescribing what is best for local governments. and grassroots organizations. >> and your point, i think democrats need to work on multiple fronts. they need to do state elections, local elections. they also need to focus when they do get in power, on the judiciary that allows other changes to take place and enshrine and protect our rights. panel, please stick with me. we have a lot more to discuss after the break. the worst of the week. we have our picks. we will ask the panel to choose there's. eep it together. now there's new theraflu flu relief with a max strength fever fighting formula. the right tool for long lasting flu symptom relief. hot beats flu. i see an amazing place. the right tool for long last feels like a dream.ef.
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voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ our worst of the week segment is back and we have a doozy for you. first up, florida state representative joe harding. he sponsored the states infamous don't say gay bill. -- he resigned this week after he was indicted on charges of fraudulently obtaining tens of thousands of dollars from a federal covid relief program. and then, there is louisiana senator jon kennedy, a republican who made a name for himself as a folksy outsider. here he is campaigning for herschel walker this week, addressing important kitchen table issues. >> these woke, high iq stupid people that walk around with a
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zip lock bags of -- but they can eat to give them energy -- i don't you kill. do you know why? because kale taste to me like i would rather be fat! >> got to hand it to senator kennedy. it is a good act. but it is an act. a dumb one. the so-called man of the people is the same kind of elitist that he attacks. let me tell you where this guy graduated from. he graduated from vanderbilt and oxford with high honors. and he also was a democrat, who endorsed john kerry for dom -- president. mr. high iq.
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let me bring back our panel. marisa who is your pick? >> i need to go with john kennedy. i think, watching him for so long, and doing his whole folksy steak is getting very old. but what is getting even older is the idea that republicans are campaigning on the idea of being woke. as far as i understand it, the working definition of woke is someone who does not hate themselves for their identity. they want people to be self loathing and they want everyone to hate the parts about them that make them different, when it is actually what makes all of us unique and wonderful. so, it's just really boring and lazy. and i don't respect that at all. josh, harding or kennedy? >> i will say hardening. the republican party has a name for committing $150,000 worth of fraud from public funds and that is a good start. in comparison to the trump organization's fraud representative, carting may
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haswell have died and dashed at a lemonade stand. but it is a good first effort at that kind of grift. unless, i will say, he donated those ill gotten funds to an lgbtq friendly organization, in which case, his career as a republican is as over as herschel walker's relationships with his children. >> [laughter] >> fernand, i want to play this sound of john kennedy for you back when he was endorsing -- >> i'm a democrat. i support senator kerry. i've endorsed him, as you have, he is the nominee of our party. >> funny how that foghorn leghorn accent is not as pronounced in that clip as it is now. and it's almost like this is an act. so, my question to you, harding or kennedy? >> that was a pretty good sinema imitation by john kennedy, but look, harding, as a former man -- we have lots of hypocrites here in the republican party. guys like that are a dime a dozen. but i think kennedy could be a
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personal hall of fame member of the worst of the week list. i need to go with him. by the, way any high respecting -- if you will have anything backed up in your pocket for energy, it is spinach, like popeye. he can't even get the metaphor right. i don't know what the heck he was talking about. john kennedy, absolutely the worst of the week in my book, at least. >> so, we wanted to mix it up a little bit and throw one more contender in their. i want to put in kyrsten sinema, since you brought her up. and i want to start with you, marisa. does asking her -- adding her into the mix change or vote? >> oh yeah. she wins, hands down!
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this week was all about kyrsten and that is the way she likes it. you know, she loves getting attention. and her credit, she's really good at it. so, while my loathing for jon kennedy runs deep, i think kyrsten winds for sure. >> josh? >> yeah, i think she has the real potential to think some useful legislation and swing a vote in the senate. so, for those reasons, i think she overtakes kennedys poor standup act. also, just while we are here, as a comedian, i am offended by the reference to kale. that is outdated. this is like a sitcom from 2011. come on, man! these people you're talking about are eating -- there are microdosing. they're eating overnight oats and getting up and debating whether sally rooney is overrated and while napping -- man, you can't be hitting us with kale. -- >> i was going to say. kale it's not as controversial as it used to be.
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kale was probably -- people now eat kale like it's nothing. we have kale chips. i don't know why he's using it as a example. >> it's like a cesar salad that puts up a little bit of a fight. >> fernand, your final thoughts on this. does throwing math sinema into the mix, elevate her to the worst of the week? >> like marisa says, she loved the attention, so i'm loath to give her any more. i want to see what she actually does. because i don't think she's really going to change all that much in terms of her voting record. she can call or self whatever she wants. like goldilocks. she will be warm, cold, hot one week to the next. it doesn't matter as long as she stays in the democratic caucus and keeps voting, i will stick with that bad man john kennedy. i don't think you get any worse than him. >> oh man. fernand, josh, marisa, thank you to the free of. you greatly appreciate your time. best of luck. thank you for making time for us at home. make sure to come back tomorrow night, nine eastern right here
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